Police Officers and Assault

Arrest or kill?

So recently we had a vote in management to determine if we should allow the killing of players by police officers, when the situation is a Player Assaulting a police officer. We discussed all forms of assault that are on the server. Which include:

Currently the forms of Assault that are on the table for discussion/voting are:

• Stun Sticking (Only does damage if you right click)
• Pimp Slapping (Does armor damage)
• Bugbaiting (Does Zero Damage)
• Taser (Damages your ability to move :kappa:)
• Rape (Has a chance to do damage)

We had a very SPLIT opinion on this in management and the vote was VERY VERY CLOSE. The vote was about when a police officer should be allowed to kill a player who assaults them. Each management member had their own outlook on the situation, but in the end the vote was passed in favor of that all forms of assault, EXCLUDING bug baiting, is annoying, and should in turn be a kill able offense when you are a police officer. So, I shall write it up simply here for everyone to understand what is changing/being enforced:

Currently the forms of Assault and What a police officer can do

• Stun Sticking a Police Officer = Kill on Sight
• Pimp Slapping a Police Officer = Kill on Sight
• Tasering a Police Officer = Kill on Sight
• Rape towards a police officer = Kill on Sight
• Bugbaiting a Police Officer = Arrest on Sight

So with that being said Bugbaiting is the only form of assault where a cop can NOT Kill on sight. While any other form of assault directed to a police officer results in the police officer being allowed to kill the player whom assaulted them.

With all that said the Managment voting poll looked like this in terms of what we all voted for as you can see it was a very split vote in terms of what everyone was thinking:

POLL OPTIONS

• If the assault does NO damage, all attempts to arrest should be made until the police officer's life is in danger. (4 SA+ Voted for this option)
• You should just kill any and all who assault you, not including bugbait, when you are a police officer. It's annoying. (5 SA+ Voted for this option)

With the management vote completed, the vote is now being put into your hands as the community! We value your opinions on this, and would love to hear and see what you all have to say. If there is a resounding support for the options that was NOT chosen, the vote will be pulled back and re-voted on. Please feel free to put your opinions into place about what you think! We would love to hear it!

P.S

This does not apply to non-Government jobs, citizens of the city have always and will always be allowed to defend themselves against all forms of assault.

Happy Voting

What I think

• If you are a cop and a hobo throws bugbait at you, do you arrest or do you kill them? I say arrest, because thats your job as a cop.

• If you are a cop, and a rent a cop runs up and stun sticks you, which does 0 damage and 0 armor damage, Do you kill them? I say you arrest, because your a police officer, It did no damage to you. Do your job and arrest them.

• If you are a cop and a pimp comes up and pimp slaps you, can the cop kill the player? I say yes because the pimp slap, which does ARMOR damage, is directly harming you. While all other cases dont do any damage.

• If you are a cop, and a player comes up and tazes you, can you kill the player who tazes you? Personally I think this is up for debate, I would say this damages your ability to move and should be a killable offense considering it does restrict you in a very noticeable way, while the stunstick does just a flash on screen.

• If you are a cop, and a rapist comes and rapes you, Can you kill the player? If its successful I would say yes since it has a small chance of killing you, if the rape fails you should attempt to arrest. (Since it auto wants them)

My outlook and ruling on how I think it should be is: If it does NO damage, a police officer should make all attempts to arrest that player. A police officer should only kill a player when his life is in danger. That is how I think it should be. Lets let voting begin. I'm on the edge of tazer, since it does no damage. But does inhibit your ability to move SEVERELY. I would be fine with allowing you to kill for Tazer since it affects your ability to move significantly.

WhooOoOopsie wrong vote

I think a cop should be able to kill another cop for SSA tho

I agree with this decision because assault is assault. A cop shouldn't be held at a higher moral ground just because they're a cop; this is DarkRP, not serious RP.

I think in a scenario where a cop will retaliate, and is expected to retaliate 9 times out of 10, and when he does so he is allowed to be killed, it would be unfair to strip him of deadly force until the situation escalates with the attacker striking first. Also considering it's darkrp, I don't see a reason for cops to be the goodieboys, making it corruption could probably fix all this.

(Also the second choice still allows you to arrest)

Definitely, Getting Tazed should be kill. You cant arrest them cause they taze and run too far away, and the quickwant it broken

ASSAULT IS ASSAULT KILL EM ALL!!! No damn bug bait on me!!

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**What I think** ---

• If you are a cop and a hobo throws bugbait at you, do you arrest or do you kill them? I say arrest, because thats your job as a cop.

• If you are a cop, and a rent a cop runs up and stun sticks you, which does 0 damage and 0 armor damage, Do you kill them? I say you arrest, because your a police officer, It did no damage to you. Do your job and arrest them.

• If you are a cop and a pimp comes up and pimp slaps you, can the cop kill the player? I say yes because the pimp slap, which does ARMOR damage, is directly harming you. While all other cases dont do any damage.

• If you are a cop, and a player comes up and tazes you, can you kill the player who tazes you? Personally I think this is up for debate, I would say this damages your ability to move and should be a killable offense considering it does restrict you in a very noticeable way, while the stunstick does just a flash on screen.

• If you are a cop, and a rapist comes and rapes you, Can you kill the player? If its successful I would say yes since it has a small chance of killing you, if the rape fails you should attempt to arrest. (Since it auto wants them)

My outlook and ruling on how I think it should be is: If it does NO damage, a police officer should make all attempts to arrest that player. A police officer should only kill a player when his life is in danger. That is how I think it should be. Lets let voting begin. I'm on the edge of tazer, since it does no damage. But does inhibit your ability to move SEVERELY. I would be fine with allowing you to kill for Tazer since it affects your ability to move significantly.

100% agree with sovereign on this. It is a cops duty to arrest people, not kill unless it's the last option.

People already kill too much when they go cop, letting them kill for Every little annoyance would just get out of hand. cops are meant to arrest not kill

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with the attacker striking first.

(((hostile intent)))

hostile intent intensifies

like to kill somebody what does 0 damage doesnt infect anyting on your self ro people around you is just arrest if it does damage or effect someting on your status or what so ever its kill.

I agree you should make all attempts to arrest not hostiles but I agree with tasing i should be able to light them up lmao its too annoying

like I've said a thousand times already, they deserve to die instantly.

Forcing people to arrest is so retarded, it literally only makes sense for bugbait. Bugbait might as well be a meme, it does nothing, so sure.

If I get stunsticked, and my screen is impaired / I lose my health, you are dying If I get pimp slapped, and I lose my armor / am flung a couple of feet, you are dying If I get tazed, you are most definitely dying lmfao If I get raped, you are MOST definitely dying lol

"Damage" is a meme in this respect, the shit is annoying regardless. If people want to be annoying they deserve the consequence of a 30-second death screen, we are nit-picking at this point like its a Serious RP server.

All the latter will do is cause the cancerous rule benders to piss off players even more, restrict the freedom that has been there since the beginning, and cause a bunch of sits that are a complete waste of time. The act of "arresting" is annoying in itself, super pointless to force it upon cops for what I've listed above. It's not like EVERY cop resorts to instantly killing people, barely any of them ever do.

I don't like adding pointless rules, especially over things that were never an emergency, and have been on the server forever now. Penguin would probably be roasting the fuck out of us right now.

tbh if cops were forced to arrest for a bunch of these things then it would just cater to a certain group of players that like to take advantage of the rules. if people wanna force cops to arrest then expect a group of people to run around as milked up rent-a-cops that stunstick cops and kill those cops the instant they show intent to arrest, that would definitely be fun.

Being able to kill for assault as listed is more fun for the people playing cop and it keeps the balance between gov't and others. its called assault because its an actual attack on the officer even if it does no damage. If people don't want to be shot at by ANYONE then they shouldn't be slapping and such to bait a reaction. Making it so that they HAVE to arrest will just result in more people baiting newer players to break the rule, as well as making it harder for the cops since once they show intent to arrest they can just be killed by the attacker on the spot.

my opinion: dont change it. It's been this way since forever and it makes no sense to change it. There's no issue with the current ruling, so I don't see why it needs to be changed.

dont change shit for no reason, if it aint broke dont fix it. All you're doing by trying to change a rule like this is fucking over the players that dont look at the forums regularly

Police should be held to the same ruling as every other player. When I was staff here, I know we tried to keep things as black and white as possible. If you still try to make things as easy to understand/B&W as possible, then cops should be held to the same ruling. Meaning if you assault any player period, they can kill you. The other police specific rules that are stated will still apply, but this assault rule should be server-wide to keep things simple and B&W.

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Being able to kill for assault as listed is more fun for the people playing cop and it keeps the balance between gov't and others. its called assault because its an actual attack on the officer even if it does no damage. If people don't want to be shot at by ANYONE then they shouldn't be slapping and such to bait a reaction. Making it so that they HAVE to arrest will just result in more people baiting newer players to break the rule, as well as making it harder for the cops since once they show intent to arrest they can just be killed by the attacker on the spot.

I heavily agree with this. Its assault, even if we dont lose health. If I pimp hand him, thats assault. Assault is illegal.

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Police should be held to the same ruling as every other player. When I was staff here, I know we tried to keep things as black and white as possible. If you still try to make things as easy to understand/B&W as possible, then cops should be held to the same ruling. Meaning if you assault any player *period*, they can kill you. The other police specific rules that are stated will still apply, but this assault rule should be server-wide to keep things simple and B&W.

I also agree with this. Assault is assault.

I think cops have every right to kill the person on sight with any of these categories. That's what every other class can do, so i think cop should be able to. I find it annoying to be stunsticked constantly or bugbaited constantly, whether it damages you or not it shouldn't matter. Assault should be a killable offense. Personally as cop, i always arrest and never kill, even when there are people shooting at me.

We would need to make it known to players and admins alike if these rules change, it could cause chaos in the sit room if an admin didn't know about this change and punished the player for RDM rather than knowing the rule change and letting them go

Yeah I think the right decision was made in terms of being able to kill someone who assaults you.

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I heavily agree with this. Its assault, even if we dont lose health. If I pimp hand him, thats assault. Assault is illegal.

i agree, AN EYE FOR AN EYE. i got pimp slapped, tased, stunned, raped, shot at, i should be able to kos as cop. its assault. bug bait is just like spitting at a cop, arrestable for disorderly conduct.